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		<description><![CDATA[It seems like redemption through sacrifice is a major theme in the movies right now.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>It seems like redemption through sacrifice is a major theme in the movies right now.</p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><a title="Seven Pounds trailer and description at apple trailers" href="http://www.apple.com/trailers/sony_pictures/sevenpounds/">Seven Pounds</a> took this theme to the limits of credulity, but I loved the movie. I&#8217;ll wait another month until most folks have likely seen it before I discuss the plot in detail.</p>
<p>Last night on my birthday I saw  <a title="Gran Torino review, LA Times" href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2009/01/clint-eastwoods.html">Gran Torino</a>, which also features a leading character who is willing to put his ife on the line in order to protect his loved ones. Again, I don&#8217;t want to spoil the part so I won&#8217;t get into the plot details.</p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://happygod.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/redemption-through-sacrifice/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/nuJjTyEnKFA/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
<p>In both cases you have an unlikely hero &#8212; one is an IRS agent who likes to throw his weight around; the other is a grumbling, sneering, unhappy old man who hurls racial epithets to his neighbors and makes himself unbearable to his children and grandchildren.</p>
<p>In both cases, the heroes struggle with whether they should lay down their lives for another person. In other words, the question that life confronts them with is: if you want to help someone and the best way for you to do that risks the loss of your own life, what would you do?</p>
<p>Both movies also include guilt as a major plot element, and both heroes seem driven by personal guilt over their past sins to redeem themselves while they are trying to save others.</p>
<p>Seeing the lives of just one savior and maybe 10 beneficiaries of his efforts on their behalf reveals the immense task before anyone who would lay claim to the title, &#8220;savior of the world&#8221;. Ultimately our romantic, poetic notions break down under the weight of a burden that is too great to bear.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing how much the Bible says about this point. In <a title="7 New American Standard Bible" href="http://bible.cc/psalms/49-7.htm">Psalm 49:7</a>, the  lesson is that &#8220;no one can redeem his brother.&#8221; Perhaps Moses penned this one, spurred by the terrible events of the sons of Korah &#8230; and he states that people should stop kidding themselves into thinking they can interfere with the death sentence they are under:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;For the redemption of his soul is costly,<br />
And he should cease <em>trying</em> forever—<br />
<a href="http://bible.cc/psalms/49-9.htm"><strong>9</strong></a> That he should live on eternally,<br />
That he should not undergo decay.</p></blockquote>
<p>Redemption is costly&#8230; and no one can make up for either his own fatal flaws or those of his loved ones. In a passage where Paul urges us to carry other people&#8217;s troubles as much as we can, the apostle still reminds us that ultimately we have to carry the final weight of our responsibility alone. (See <a title="Galatians 6" href="http://nasb.scripturetext.com/galatians/6.htm">Galatians 6</a>, especially the first 5 verses)</p>
<p>Job takes up the question in <a title="Job 33, NASB" href="http://nasb.scripturetext.com/job/33.htm">Job 33 </a></p>
<p>Elihu, himself a messianic figure in the conversation, describes the role of the deliverer as one who has a righteousness of his own, which qualifies him to be a true messenger from God, and a go-between or mediator in the negotiation. And what is the burden of this messenger&#8217;s words? To show unto man His (God&#8217;s and the messenger&#8217;s) righteousness. When we see that God is righteous and we are sinners, we are ready for God to be gracious to us, and apply the benefits of salvation personally on our behalf:</p>
<blockquote><p>If there be a messenger with him, a mediator, one among a thousand,<br />
to show to man His uprightness:<br />
Then He is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.</p></blockquote>
<p>This teaching is reinforced in the New Testament in many places, including <a title="19" href="http://bible.cc/romans/8-19.htm">Romans 8:19ff</a> where Paul states that the whole creation waits longingly for the revealing of God&#8217;s children&#8230; a time which ushers in a worldwide redemption. (see an interesting theological treatise on this passage <a title="19-22" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=K-Ls4CUEWFAC&amp;dq=redemption+Romans&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=fVxUjq87zO&amp;sig=pGQm6mZF_636wby_x8ntdw6omvo&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=3&amp;ct=result#PPP1,M1">here</a>).</p>
<p>Perhaps the most thorough discussion on this issue in scripture is <a title="Romans 5 NASB" href="http://nasb.scripturetext.com/romans/5.htm">Romans 5</a>, where Paul talks about the willingness of a few to die for another: a woman for her child, a soldier for his trenchmates, etc.</p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://bible.cc/romans/5-6.htm"><strong>6</strong></a> For while we were still helpless, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/5-7.htm"><strong>7</strong></a> For one will hardly die for a righteous man; though perhaps for the good man someone would dare even to die. <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/5-8.htm"><strong>8</strong></a> But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. <a href="http://bible.cc/romans/5-9.htm"><strong>9</strong></a> Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath <em>of God</em> through Him.</p></blockquote>
<p>Notice that Paul&#8217;s position is that as humans we are helpless. We really can&#8217;t save ourselves, much less each other. Dying for a neighbor, while noble and admirable in every way, is only salvation in a poetic way. The end result is still one person living on a little while longer under &#8220;the wrath&#8221;, while another succumbs under &#8220;the wrath&#8221; &#8212; the global human curse since the beginning of human history.</p>
<p>Only the entirely external redemptive process initiated by God and carried upon the cross of Christ can actually redeem or buy back a human soul from the curses of his fallen and incomplete existence.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s refreshing and heartwarming to see great actors mirror this human struggle, and inspire us to do the most we can and the best we can to meet the needs of others. What I get from the Bible, though, is that realistically no one can do diddly squat in the final analysis. If there is no hope in Christ, we who hope in human redemption are of all men most miserable, because we accept the grim reality that no other hope or bootstrap efforts can possibly avail.</p>
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		<title>Benjamin Button &#8211; more about death than life</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[I took my wife to see the Curious Case of Benjamin Button on Christmas day. We both enjoyed it a great deal.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I took my wife to see the Curious Case of Benjamin Button on Christmas day. We both enjoyed it a great deal.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a love story, and an adventure story. Someone compared it to Forest Gump, but it&#8217;s never as emotional as that masterpiece, nor as funny. But it&#8217;s got some humor, I&#8217;d give it it a thumbs up for the quality of the writing, acting, cinematography, and directorial artistry. And I love the way sunrises over the water are like a character in the film &#8230; somehow Benjamin is attracted to them, and watches them regularly by himself, with family members, etc.</p>
<p>As I stated yesterday, what makes me resonate with the movie the most is the way it presents human growth backwards from the norms we see every day&#8230;. aging, failing, dying. Here, a person emerges from the womb as from the grave, in decrepitude, and then grows toward youthful vigor. The &#8220;youthful&#8221; Benjamin writes in his diary at one point (perhaps at 15 biological years, now with the body of perhaps a 60 year old) &#8220;Some days I feel different than the day before&#8230;&#8221; His wrinkles are disappearing, his hair is sprouting &#8220;like weeds&#8221;, his hormones are catching fire.</p>
<p>Does the Bible really support the idea that such a miracle is possible? That it will happen to the masses of humanity? Yes and Yes!</p>
<p>Jesus himself <a title="25-30 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%5:25-30;&amp;version=49;">states the case</a> as emphatically as words can say: &#8220;Don&#8217;t be amazed&#8230;. All in the graves will come forth.&#8221; Unfortunately the fog of neo-Platonic concepts like immortal soul and hellfire make it difficult for most Christians to really see what Jesus is saying here. It&#8217;s quite simple, though. The ones who enter into a relationship with God during this age, and continue walking in grace and faith, emerge in the resurrection of Life, what Jesus calls the First Resurrection in the book of Revelation. For such, their resurrection is instantaneous, glorious, and in heaven. The entire rest of mankind, who remain in their sins, emerge from the grave still in their sins, but experience a gradual resurrection, through a process of judgment or trial and testing. In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul states that God gives each a body as it pleases him. This is tremendously reasuring, because it means that disfigured, disabled, distorted folks in this life can look forward to being whole upon emerging from the grave. Then, their education will begin and it will take most of the Millennium for each person to build the finegrained righteous character that is going to be their birthright and their ticket into everlasting life as a member of the human community.</p>
<p>Isaiah describes the scene in several places, including chapter 35. He defines its scope as &#8220;the ransomed of the Lord&#8221; (which by the authority of 1 Tim 2:4-6 I claim means &#8220;all the human race&#8221;). He states that they return (come back). That is, they don&#8217;t go to a place they never were before, they come back to where they were before.. planet Earth. They come back joyfully, and yet they have some travelling still to do. Isaiah calls it a highway of holiness. He describes it as a place that you can&#8217;t travel if you&#8217;re unclean (dirty or sinful) &#8230; and yet he says that it exists FOR the unclean. He says that the wayfaring man (Joe Sixpack), though they be but fools, won&#8217;t err therein. They will figure out how to navigate that highway to holiness, and with the help God has provided with his powerful Son and his patient Bride they will get to that place of moral excellence, of wisdom, of forgiveness, of victory over doubt and selfishness and fear. I envision the Bride or spiritual government of that age as all the great and saintly Christians of ages past; myriads of powerful spiritual mediators working overtime to help everyone with a cloud of supernatural help and faithbuilding efforts. The result of all this effort is the process of age-reversal that Job described in the verse I quoted yesterday&#8230; returning to the days of youth.</p>
<p>Isaiah hints at the remarkable reversal of all that we think about in this new living (un-dying) process. He says in <a title="20 multiple translations" href="http://bible.cc/isaiah/65-20.htm">65:20</a>, &#8220;&#8221;No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred and the one who does not reach the age of one hundred will be thought accursed.&#8221;</p>
<p>What an odd verse! I think the normative experience during the Millennium will be to awaken from the grave near the beginning of the Millennium and live under the authority of Christ and his &#8220;Bride&#8221;. Joe Sixpack will be living, learning, getting the occasional rebuke but mostly lots of great instruction and encouragement, for hundreds upon hundreds of years. Then comes the end, when Christ turns over the Kingdom to the Father, and there is one last final test, known in the book of Revelation as the &#8220;little season&#8221; when one more time an evil deceptive intelligence (Satan) is allowed to try and organize opposition to God. This will finally settle who really has love in their heart and really wants to live eternally on the earth&#8230;<a title="The parable of the sheep and the goats -- not now, not at death, but at the end of the Millennium" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:31-46;&amp;version=49;">(see Matthew 25:31 to 46)</a></p>
<p>So I think the Isaiah 65:20 text is saying that since every person can expect the better part of a Millennium to be their minimum opportunity,  anyone who dies at, say, 100 years old in that Messianic Age will be like a child in comparison to the 700, 800, 900-year lifespans that the vast majority will experience. And all those who die before the end of the Millennium would do so only as a final judgment&#8230; so after a 100 or so years of the most patient and thorough tough love imaginable, those who are executed will be truly sinners, truly deserving of the curse of death. They&#8217;ll be the few, the occasional incorrigible folks who simply refuse to buckle down to the righteous authority of the Lamb and his Bride. They will be recognized as accursed sinners by their fellow men.</p>
<p>The Button story isn&#8217;t remotely about any of these things. It explores the challenges and unique tragedies that would face a man whose 70 years of experiencing the hereditary fall of man if his growth pattern were reversed. So in the end his life is still a process of dying, not a real life as the Bible envisions it for all people in the future.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough for us to shake the perception that this life is LIFE. It ain&#8217;t folks. It&#8217;s death. Cradle to grave, dying we die. That&#8217;s why Jesus said weird things like &#8220;let the dead bury the dead.&#8221; Even the people he resurrected remained firmly dead &#8230; that is, dead in trespasses and sins, not released from the condemnation upon all who get their life from Adam.</p>
<p>Those who receive new life from Christ are indeed alive, however. Christians in this age are truly set free from death, and though their outer man appears to die, inwardly they are being renewed with an inner spiritual life that is the spark of an immortal, spiritual existence beyond the grave.</p>
<p>But those who do not receive Christ in this life remain in their sins, and will have to be dealt with in the next age. And of course, that&#8217;s where I differ from the main stream of the Christian community&#8230; in seeing a second age of grace for all the rest of mankind.</p>
<p>So enjoy a good love story&#8230; but also try to put your mind around the incredible love story of a happy God for ALL the human race. Not one that falls flat because most folks don&#8217;t respond&#8230; [SPOILER ALERT] not one in which the leading lady gets old and dies, and the leading man gets young and dies &#8230; but a love story that is reasonable, fair, and yet results in everyone who wants to living happily ever after!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m excited to see &#8220;The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.&#8221; I may even go see it tomorrow.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I&#8217;m excited to see <a title="Benjamin Button website" href="http://www.benjaminbutton.com/?gclid=CMLE0tDv2pcCFQslHgodhh3gCg">&#8220;The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.&#8221;</a> I may even go see it tomorrow.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a love story in which Brad Pitt plays a freak of nature who is born as an old man and lives his standard, finite life in reverse&#8230; starting out with an aged body but immature mind, and then progressing through a 70+ year lifetime until he has the mind of an old man in the body of a baby. Somewhere in the middle, he crosses paths with Daisy, played by Kate Blanchett as the love of his life, whose progress follows the normal trajectory of mind and body maturing together.</p>
<p>Interesting dramatic twist&#8230; and some of my favorite actors apparently do a terrific job of breathing life into the proposition.</p>
<p>What interests me most, however, is the on-screen depiction of a biblical idea. It is <a title="Elihu on God's redemptive will" href="http://worldebible.com/job/33.htm">actually verbalized</a> in the book of Job. There the character of Elihu, a young messianic prophet, paints a word picture of redemption in which &#8220;his flesh shall become fresher than a child&#8217;s; he shall return to the days of his youth.&#8221; (Job 33, verse 25) Clearly he&#8217;s not referring to religious conversion in most cases&#8230; becoming a Christian doesn&#8217;t normally equate to a &#8220;fountain of youth&#8221; experience.</p>
<p>Bear in mind that I am convinced all people who miss out on the opportunity for Christian discipleship during the current age will enjoy a universal, practically fail-safe opportunity for full redemption in the next age.  True Christian disciples, in my view, have most often been persecuted or ignored in their churches or other communities&#8230;. unpopular with the worldly but also hated by the &#8220;religious&#8221; who run most sectarian institutions. So while the perhaps <a title="Check the Ralph Winter quote in my post" href="http://happygod.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/q-why-was-jesus-sent-to-earth/">5 or 10 percent</a> of folks who have truly followed Jesus&#8217; footsteps as authentic believers during the last couple of millennia have experienced a redemption, it has been quite inward and almost undetectable to those around them.</p>
<p>Not so the coming redemption for everyone else. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Zechariah, and indeed all the prophets describe exactly the sort of thing that Benjamin Button experiences, physically speaking. Health. Youthfulness. Happiness. Houses. Food. Peter called it <a title="19-21" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%203:19-21;&amp;version=15;">&#8220;times of restitution&#8221;</a> or restoration of all things. (Acts 3:19-21) All things&#8230; including health, life, hope, happiness, and a planet that is in tune with its residents.</p>
<p>But unlike Benjamin, life will not be limited to 70 years or fewer, as most people have experienced it. In the Biblical depiction of world salvation, all people will emerge from the graves with the advantage of previous experience. Their decades of living with love  as well as hate will give them a start on the curve of moral development. And they&#8217;ll all be walking and working and learning together&#8230;. whole genrations at a time. For a thousand years, people will have the experience of being reunited with family, old friends and old enemies, apologizing for past sins, being exonerated for past mistreatments, and coming to grips with what it means to be actualized as a free but obedient, loving, honest, good person in community with the rest of the world. And when the thousand years is past, in the words of Amazing Grace, eternity will have just begun.</p>
<p>Pretty dramatic, don&#8217;t you think? GIs coming back to the love of their lives, perhaps to meet the child they never met&#8230; And the curses which shorten life, which frustrate all of us, will be gone. The benefits will be especially noticeable to the poor of the world of the present age.</p>
<p>I could give you Bible verses for just about every claim, every phrase &#8230;. but it&#8217;s too laborious right now&#8230; gotta run.</p>
<p>After I see the film I&#8217;ll review it and let you know whether it lives up to my expectations.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas!</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 16:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Man, have I missed blogging. Not that anyone noticed I was gone. But I still don&#8217;t feel whole when I can&#8217;t speak into the silence, and keep hoping for someone to hear something that is useful to them.
There are so many things that have flowed by &#8230; the campaign, the election, the financial meltdown. I [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=happygod.wordpress.com&blog=2054921&post=204&subd=happygod&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Man, have I missed blogging. Not that anyone noticed I was gone. But I still don&#8217;t feel whole when I can&#8217;t speak into the silence, and keep hoping for someone to hear something that is useful to them.</p>
<p>There are so many things that have flowed by &#8230; the campaign, the election, the financial meltdown. I am convinced the fingerprints of a happy God are all over those pivotal events.</p>
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Thanks to <a title="Jolly Blogger home" href="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/">David Wayne</a> the <a title="On passing on Bad Reports" href="http://jollyblogger.typepad.com/jollyblogger/2008/08/on-passing-on-b.html">Jolly Blogger</a>, and <a title="Justin Taylor quotes Keller and Powlison" href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2008/08/keller-and-powlison-should-you-pass-on.html">Justin Taylor before him</a>, for posting the following essay for all of us who are engaged in Christian community to enjoy and take to heart. I&#8217;ve gone through and added links to all the scripture references to make it easier for y&#8217;all to see the power and authority of this excellent advice.</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Should You Pass on Bad Reports?</strong><br />
<em>by Tim Keller &amp; David Powlison</em></p></blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p style="text-align:left;">One obvious genius of the internet is that it’s “viral.” Information explodes to the whole world. The old neighborhood grapevine and the postal service seem like ox-carts in a speed-of-light universe&#8230;. Instantaneous transmission produces some wonderfully good things. Truth, like joy, is infectious. A great idea feeds into a million inboxes. But it also produces some disastrous evils. Lies, rumors, and disinformation travel just as far and just as fast.</p>
<p>So what should you do when you hear “bad reports” about a person or church or ministry? We want to offer a few thoughts on how to remain constructive. To paraphrase <a title="29" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%204:29;&amp;version=49;">Ephesians 4:29</a>, “Let no unwholesome words come out of your computer, but only what is constructive, in order to meet the need of the moment, that what you communicate will give grace to everyone who ever reads it.” That Greek word translated “unwholesome” is <a title="lexicon for Sapros, Blue Letter Bible" href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4550&amp;t=kjv"><em>sapros</em></a>. It means something that is inedible, either devoid of nutritional value or rotten and even poisonous. It applies to thorny briars or to fish or fruit that’s gone bad. At best, it’s of no benefit to anyone. At worst, it’s sickening and destructive. Consider three things in how to stay constructive.</p>
<p><strong>What Does James Say about Passing Along Bad Reports?</strong></p>
<p style="text-align:left;"><em>Humble yourselves before the Lord.</em> <a href="http://biblecc.com/james/4-10.htm">(Jas 4:10)</a><br />
<em>Brothers, don’t slander or attack one another.</em> <a title="biblos parallel translation" href="http://biblecc.com/james/4-11.htm">(Jas 4:11)</a><br />
(James 4:10-11)</p>
<p style="text-align:left;">The verb “slander” simply means to “speak against” <a title="BLB lexicon on katalaleo" href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2635&amp;t=kjv">(Gk. kata-lalein)</a>. It is not necessarily a false report, just an “against-report.” The intent is to belittle another. To pour out contempt. To mock. To hurt. To harm. To destroy. To rejoice in purported evil. This can’t mean simple disagreement with ideas—that would mean that we could never have a debate over a point. This isn’t respectful disagreement with ideas. James warns against attacking a person’s motives and character, so that the listeners’ respect and love for the person is undermined. “As the north wind brings rain, so slander brings angry looks” (Prov. 25:23). Everybody gets upset at somebody else: slanderer, slanderee, slander-hearer.</p>
<p>The link of slander to pride in <a title="parallel translations" href="http://bible.cc/james/4-10.htm">James 4:10</a> shows that slander is not the humble evaluation of error or fault, which we must constantly be doing. Rather, in slander the speaker speaks as if he never would do the same thing himself. It acts self-righteous and superior toward one’s obviously idiotic inferiors. Non-slanderous evaluation is fair-minded, constructive, gentle, [HappyGod note: as James himself says in <a title="parallel translations" href="http://biblecc.com/james/3-17.htm">James 3:17</a>] guarded, and always demonstrates that speakers sense how much they share the same frailty, humanity, and sinful nature with the one being criticized. It shows a profound awareness of your own sin. It is never “against-speaking.”</p>
<p><a title="parallel translations" href="http://biblecc.com/james/5-9.htm">James 5:9</a> adds a nuance: &#8220;Don’t grumble against one another.&#8221; <a title="lexicon for stenazo, Blue Letter Bible" href="http://cf.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G4727&amp;t=kjv"><em>[stenazo]</em></a> Literally, it means don’t moan and groan and roll your eyes. This refers to a kind of against-speaking that is not as specific as a focused slander or attack. It hints at others flaws, not only with words, but by body language and tone. In print, such attitudes are communicated by innuendo, guilt by association, sneering, pejorative vocabulary. In person, it means shaking your head, rolling your eyes, and re-enforcing the erosion of love and respect for someone else. For example, “You know how they do things around here. Yadda, yadda. What do you expect?” Such a “groan” accomplishes the same thing as outright slander. It brings “angry looks” to all concerned. Passing on negative stuff always undermines love and respect. It’s never nourishing, never constructive, never timely, never grace-giving.</p>
<p><strong>What Does the Book of Proverbs Say about Receiving Bad Reports?</strong></p>
<p><em>He who covers over an offense promotes love,<br />
but whoever repeats the matter separates close friends.<br />
<a title="parallel translations" href="http://bible.cc/proverbs/17-9.htm">(Proverbs 17:9)</a></em></p>
<p>The first thing to do when hearing or seeing something negative is to seek to “cover” the offense rather than speak about it to others. That is, rather than let a bad report “pass in” to your heart as truth, and then get “passed along” to others, you should seek to keep the matter from destroying your love and regard for a person. How?</p>
<p>Start by remembering your own sinfulness. &#8220;All a man’s ways seem innocent to him, but motives are weighed by the Lord&#8221; <a href="http://bible.cc/proverbs/16-2.htm">(Prov. 16:2)</a>. To know this automatically keeps you from being too sure of your position and of speaking too strongly against people that you hear about or people on the other side of a conflict. You intuitively realize that you may not be seeing things right. Your motives are never as pure as you think they are. To know this acts to keep you from being too sure of the facts, too sure of your position, and of speaking too quickly and too negatively about other people. Knowing your own sinfulness helps you not make snap judgments that take what you hear too seriously.</p>
<p>When you remember your sinfulness, remember God’s mercies. &#8220;Love covers all offenses&#8221; <a title="12" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Prov%20%2010:12;&amp;version=49;">(Prov. 10:12)</a>. The God who is love has covered all your offenses. He knows everything about you (and the whole story about that other person). He has chosen to forgive you, and life-saving mercy cost Jesus his life. He could write you up with a 100% True Bad Report, but he has chosen to <a title="19 parallel translations" href="http://bible.cc/micah/7-19.htm">bury your sins in the depths of the ocean.</a> (Micah 7:19) That makes the life and death difference. If your sins are not buried in the ocean of his mercy, then you will be justly exposed and will justly perish. But when you’ve known mercy, then even when you hear report of grievous evil, an instinct toward mercy should arise within you. To savor the tasty morsels of gossip and bad reports is very different from grieving, caring, and wishing nothing less than the mercies of Christ upon all involved. And most bad reports are much more trivial. They are the stuff of busybodies and gossips going “tut-tut-tut.”</p>
<p>Then remember that there is always another side. &#8220;The first to present his case seems right, till another comes forward and questions him&#8221; (<a title="parallel translations" href="http://bible.cc/proverbs/18-17.htm">Prov. 18:17</a>). You never have all the facts. And you never have all the facts you need all at once. You are never in a position to see the whole picture, and therefore when you hear the first report, you should assume you have far too little information to draw an immediate conclusion. What you’ve heard from someone else is only “hear-say” evidence. It has no standing or validity unless it is confirmed in other ways.</p>
<p>So when you hear a negative report about another, you must keep it from passing into your heart as though it were true. If you pass judgment based on hear-say, you are a fool. That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t check out the facts. Go to the person. Hear other witnesses. If you’re far away from the scene, wait for more of the story to come out. Suspend judgment. Don’t get panicked or stampeded by mob-psychology and rumors. Be content not to know many things. You don’t need to have an opinion about everything and everyone.</p>
<p>Third, what should you do if you are close enough to the situation to be involved AND you think the injustice or matter is too great or grievous for you to ignore? For starters, notice that you only really need to know something if it touches your sphere of life and relationships. In that case, you should do what will help you to express God’s call upon you to speak <a title="29" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians%204:29;&amp;version=49;">Ephesians 4:29</a> words of wise love.</p>
<p>In Derek Kidner’s commentary on <a title="7-10 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Prov%20%2025:7-10;&amp;version=49;">Prov. 25:7–10</a>, he writes that when you think someone has done wrong you should remember, “One seldom knows the full facts (v.8) and one’s motives in spreading a story are seldom as pure as one pretends (v.10). To run to the law or to the neighbors is usually to run away from the duty of personal relationship.” See Christ’s clinching comment in <a title="15-17 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:15-17">Matthew 18:15</a>: &#8220;If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.&#8221; In short, if you feel the problem is too great and you can’t keep it from destroying your regard for the person, you must go personally before you go to anyone else.</p>
<p><strong>When Should You Go?</strong></p>
<p><a title="1 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206:1;&amp;version=49;">Galatians 6:1</a> says we are to go when a person is caught in a trespass. That means there should be some kind of &#8220;pattern&#8221; or the unmistakeable exposure of a wrong. Don’t go the first time you hear a bad report about someone doing wrong. As we said above, there’s another side to most stories, and our motives are never totally pure when we get indignant. Go if the person seems caught—that is, trapped or stuck in a habit pattern of wrong behavior or falsehood.</p>
<p><strong>How Should You Go?</strong></p>
<p><a title="1 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206:1;&amp;version=49;">Galatians 6:1</a> says we are to restore gently and in humility, bearing all the fruit of the Spirit. Beware of your own tendencies to be tempted—perhaps to the same sin, perhaps to reactive sins of self-righteousness or judgmentalism, perhaps to avoidance sins of cover-up and pretending. <a title="all of Gal 6 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206;&amp;version=49;">Galatians 6:2</a> goes on to say that we actually fulfill the law of Christ by bearing each other’s burdens. We become nothing less than lesser redeemers in the pattern of our Great Redeemer. Jesus in <a title="15-17 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+18:15-17">Matthew 18:15</a>ff says we should also go persistently, and not give up in the process. Patience is one fruit of the Spirit because problems don’t always clear up quickly. There is a progression in efforts to get to the bottom of a bad report, to confirm the facts, and to work at bringing restoration.</p>
<p><strong>Who Should Go?</strong></p>
<p><a title="all of Gal 6 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206;&amp;version=49;">Galatians 6</a> says you—plural—who are spiritual should go to the straying one. That both defines how you should go and it calls for multiple people to get involved. Similarly Matthew 18:15ff says to bring in other people if matters don’t resolve one to one. The right kind of checking out a bad report is always done in person and often will be done by involving multiple wise persons.</p>
<p><strong>Why Should You Go?</strong></p>
<p>In both <a title="all of Gal 6 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians%206;&amp;version=49;">Galatians 6</a> and <a title="Matt 18 Blue Letter Bible" href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat018.html">Matthew 18</a> the goal is to restore the person and to re-establish sin-broken relationships. You are working to restore people both to God and to others.</p>
<p><strong>Conclusion</strong></p>
<p>In summary, from the Old Testament to the New Testament, the principle is this. If you hear bad reports about other Christians you must either cover it with love or go to them personally before speaking of it to any others.</p></blockquote>
<p>HG: Another favorite OT text supporting this approach is <a title="17-18 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2019:17-18;&amp;version=49;">Lev 19:17-18.</a> To me, the coda &#8220;I am the Lord&#8221; after this command tells us that if we truly reverence God we&#8217;ll take this attitude in all our conflicts.</p>
<p>Continuing with Tim Keller and David Powlison:</p>
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<ol>
<li>The first thing to do is to simply suspend judgment. Don’t pass on bad reports.</li>
<li>The second thing to do is “cover” it in love, reminding yourself that you don’t know all about the heart of the person who may have done evil—and you know your own frailty. Don’t allow bad reports to pass into your own heart.</li>
<li>The final thing to do is go and speak to them personally.</li>
</ol>
<p>What you should never do is rush to judgment, or withdraw from loving another, or pass on the negative report to others. This is challenge enough when you’re dealing with the local grapevine or slow-moving postal service. In a world of instant world-wide communication of information it’s an even bigger challenge, because you can do bigger damage more quickly. Whether the bad report offers true information, or partial information, or disinformation, or false information—it is even more important that you exercise great discretion, and that you take pains to maximize boots-on-the-ground interpersonal relationships.</p></blockquote>
<p>In the next few days I&#8217;ll add my own two cents worth to these outstanding words of advice. Bravo!</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[The world has lost Randy Pausch. Temporarily.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>The world has lost Randy Pausch. Temporarily.</p>
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<p>The Carnegie Mellon prof who gained acclaim and then wrote a best-selling book about dying of cancer has <a title="CNN obituary" href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/books/07/25/obit.pausch.ap/index.html">passed away</a> in the last few hours. He was 47.</p>
<p>His story is particularly touching to me because he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer at precisely the time that my wife was initially diagnosed with the same illness. Our initial scans showed a mass on her pancreas and a number of spots that looked liked metastasized tumors on her liver. We spent several weeks contemplating the possibility that Beth would be gone within 3 months to a year, just like Randy&#8217;s family.</p>
<p>Thankfully for us, when we went to the Mayo clinic a more focused scan revealed that the local doctors had seen false positives. But the confrontation with death left us with a deeper sympathy and deeper sense of purpose for living well and loving much.</p>
<p>Randy&#8217;s response is bittersweet to say the least. While we admire his refusal to whine or complain, we cannot help but ask why death happens, and what the purpose of human life might be, if there is one at all.</p>
<p>For myself, times like this make me embarrassed to have to identify with the Christian community&#8230; because the dark side of orthodoxy is that it believes, and sometimes even says out loud, that people like Randy are &#8220;lost&#8221;&#8230; a euphemism for an eternal destiny of hopeless, conscious torment &#8220;in the hands of an angry God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Randy brings a tear to most of our eyes when he chooses to be satisfied with the amount of life he has enjoyed. He is thankful for his parents, thankful for his job, thankful for his family and the many dreams he has been able to achieve. But as a participant in the Christian community I&#8217;m embarrassed to say that the ugliness of Calvinist or even Arminian theology casts the darkest of shadows on every life, no matter how well lived, which does not end with the unqualified acceptance of their Molechian concept of deity. I know my Christian brothers who believe in hell would be offended by my comparison of their faith to the &#8220;God of drums&#8221; &#8212; the awful pounding of sacred drums to drown out the screams of children thrown, alive, into the red-hot arms of a flaming deity. And yet that is the unvarnished truth when you really face Christian doctrine head-on without flinching. Am I right? Challenge me if you think not.</p>
<p>I am crying right now, in grief for Randy&#8217;s wife, his kids, his many friends and colleagues, his students. What a great man he was. But I am also deeply happy, because the Bible is so crystal clear, so brightly unambiguous, that orthodoxy is dead wrong and doomed to full disclosure and embarrassment; and that Randy has not delivered his last lecture. Randy will be back &#8230; <a title="4-6" href="http://bible.cc/isaiah/35-10.htm">with songs, with joy,</a> with the same humility and fun-loving spirit that he carried into the grave.</p>
<p>If I read Isaiah correctly, the karma of Randy is far closer to the truth than all the brimstone claptrap of the Christian establishment. They can wring their hands about <a title="Oprah's article about Randy" href="http://www.oprah.com/article/oprahandfriends/moz/moz_20071119">Oprah</a> all they want&#8230; but Oprah has more sense about what&#8217;s fair and what ought to be than any orthodox theologian I have ever met. The Bible, and the love of God, backs her up.</p>
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		<title>Somewhere between nowhere and goodbye</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just finished a couple of major deadlines in my secular work and I celebrated by watching a movie in my hotel room. I&#8217;ve seen Million Dollar Baby before, but this movie is told so cinematically, so emotionally, that even when I know the plot ahead of time I find myself going through the same [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=happygod.wordpress.com&blog=2054921&post=170&subd=happygod&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I just finished a couple of major deadlines in my secular work and I celebrated by watching a movie in my hotel room. I&#8217;ve seen Million Dollar Baby before, but this movie is told so cinematically, so emotionally, that even when I know the plot ahead of time I find myself going through the same gut-wrenching, agonizing struggles that Frankie (a boxing trainer, Clint Eastwood) and Maggie (his boxer, Hillary Swank) have to face.</p>
<p>The tears and sadness I feel when watching that excruciating story morphs for me into a warm and settled expectation at the end (after my cry). Not because that story ends well. (For those who still haven&#8217;t seen this 4-Oscar-winning best picture, I won&#8217;t share any details of the plot.) Yes, it&#8217;s a work of fiction that feels as sad and overwhelming as any of the myriad tragic stories we hear about every day. Yes, on the face of it I could agree with Andrew Sarris of the New York Observer who wrote that <a title="Wikipedia article on Million Dollar Baby" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Baby">&#8216;no movie in my memory has depressed me more than Million Dollar Baby.&#8217;</a>&#8220;<a title="Wikipedia link to Andrew Sarris, as quoted by Christianity Today" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Dollar_Baby#cite_note-13">[4]</a></p>
<p>The only real hope that comes from the Hollywood portrayal itself, in my opinion, flows from the crystalline quality of all 3 leading characters of the story. (Eastwood, Swank, and Morgan Freeman) All three face deep disappointments and overwhelming personal challenges. All of them, at some level, fail in achieving their dreams, and the film departs from the normal romanticizing tendencies of pop culture to allow the characters to find a way of coping with their own failure, rather than miraculously finding a way out.</p>
<p>This encourages me because, first of all, I am persuaded that the Bible does not romanticize the experiences of this life for anyone, either. &#8220;People die all the time&#8221; is not just the realistic pronouncement of the sage observer, Freeman. It&#8217;s also the simple story of the Bible.</p>
<p>And I also find encouragement because of the finely-tuned sensibilities of so many people, including the folks in Hollywood who Christians love to bash &#8212; people who are pursuing the truth of human life and spirituality with grit, objectivity, and fairness. Increasingly, the reality of the failings of heroes, as well as the mitigating qualities of the &#8220;bad guys&#8221; are served up in realistic ways. Again, I find this much more like the Bible than the romanticized pulp I here coming from, say, &#8220;Focus on the Family&#8221; or other well-intentioned but, in my view, simplistic advocates of a brand of Christianity.</p>
<p>For me, then, real hope comes, not from a sweet but ultimately romantic humanistic sentimentality which says that &#8220;getting our shot&#8221; (as Freeman put it) is all we can hope for. Nor does it come from the faith (?) of a  Churchianity that&#8217;s been, amazingly, quite deceived: that everyone already has all the shot God in his &#8220;sovereignty&#8221; has allowed for them&#8230;. forever. If either of those options were true, then all the many people who have died trying, or died without trying, or died meaninglessly because of the stupidity or negligence or evil of another, would have died for nothing. They would be just where Freeman thinks Eastwood might have gone&#8230; &#8220;somewhere between nowhere and goodbye.&#8221; Or, if the Christian mainstream is right, they&#8217;d be well beyond good-bye, into horrible, unceasing, conscious &#8220;good riddance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Hope comes from the <a href="http://bible.cc/acts/24-15.htm">promise of a resurrection.</a> Not a tentative, deductive, inferential hope that comes from reading ancient poetry or believing myths. The Bible is quite concrete and direct in its promises of a universal resurrection&#8230; and more than that, a thoroughgoing exploration of all the lessons of life for every person. A day of reckoning that is transformational, hopeful, and reconstructive. An Act Two that builds on Act One, and doesn&#8217;t kill off any of the characters. And those characters who exit in Act Three (after the Millennium) will do so of their own volition, their own informed and fully conscious choice.</p>
<p>Movies like Million Dollar Baby, Saving Private Ryan, and Schindler&#8217;s List leave me, after I&#8217;ve had my cry (and I really am a soft touch in those kinds of tragedies) with a profound satisfaction that the goals of God that are so clearly stated, and will indeed be achieved &#8230; and that the methods of God we see about us will yet prove to be so brilliantly wise and incessantly loving as to take our breath away.</p>
<p>When the world comes to its Act 3, there won&#8217;t be a nowhere, and there won&#8217;t be any more goodbyes. And I think that&#8217;s why God is happy.</p>
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		<title>Q: What about Violence and Lust in the OT?</title>
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But I really need your brotherly help this time…
This week, I’m going to debate a [person who does not accept Jesus as the Son but does believe other sacred texts which I do not believe are true]. I have seen [friends like him] pick the violent verses of the Old Testament (and Moses), and [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=happygod.wordpress.com&blog=2054921&post=169&subd=happygod&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Eyoel writes:</p>
<blockquote><p>But I really need your brotherly help this time…</p>
<p>This week, I’m going to debate a [person who does not accept Jesus as the Son but does believe other sacred texts which I do not believe are true]. I have seen [friends like him] pick the violent verses of the Old Testament (and Moses), and ‘lustful’ parts from it, mainly from the chapter Songs.</p>
<p>I can readily answer any question raised from the NT, even some from the OT. But..I have a huge problem with the things I mentioned above.</p>
<p>How can one understand the ‘violence and lust’ mentioned in the Old testament? I don’t want to look like a fool in front of him, and my desire is to try my best to bring him to Christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hi, Eyoel,</p>
<p>God did tell the Jews to <a title="Joshua 13 to 15" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+13-15" target="_blank">remove specific groups of people</a> from the Land he gave to them. He made it clear that it was His land, and they were to not have anything to do with the people who were already there &#8212; the Amorites, Phillistines, Amalekites, etc. He made it clear that they were judicially executing them for His own reasons, but we can think of a few reasons why God would give these orders:</p>
<p>1. God <a title="8" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%2032:8,Deuteronomy%2032:9,;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">gave the land</a> <a title="Genesis 15, especially verse 17" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%2015" target="_blank">to Abraham</a> and his seed of promise, Isaac.</p>
<p>2. These people were <a title="Leviticus 18" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=LEV%2018;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">&#8220;polluting&#8221; the land</a> itself with their idolatry, their sexual sins, their diseases and their own vicious ways.</p>
<p>3. If the Jews left the people there, in the nature of things they would have ended up (and indeed did to a large degree) copying their religion and their sexual sins, and pick up their diseases of body and soul.</p>
<p>4. God wanted to teach lessons that would create a vivid picture of his determination to have purity and His righteous standards in force in human society in the future.</p>
<p>5. God wanted to create a record of battles, conflicts, and both victories and defeats that would serve as spiritual lessons or &#8220;types&#8221; to the true spiritual people of God who he planned would come along later.</p>
<p>6. God wanted to forge the Jews into a tight nation, very tribal and very genetically separate, who would be able to survive for the 2000 years that God knew they would be scattered among mystic Babylon, before it was time to regather them again onto their own land. The promises of their resurrection as a people are now being fulfilled. Though even many &#8220;Christians&#8221; hate the Jews and can&#8217;t forgive them for their mistakes as a nation, God does not see it that way. He loves them and has already begun to restore them.</p>
<p>7. God also loved even the enemies of the Jews, and knew that since all people are born dying &#8212; as good as dead &#8212; they really are learning lessons too &#8230; and will be resurrected and restored in Christ&#8217;s kingdom. There are specific promises of land for the Arabs, the children of Lot (Moabites) &#8230; even the Egyptians and Assyrians in the future. All will be restored, including the enemies of Israel and their kindred tribes, Sodom and Gomorrah. (see Ezekiel 16)</p>
<p>By contrast, the other religions you are dealing with do not provide an everlasting hope of peace and brotherhood among those who it considers enemies. Those sacred writings seem suspect to many who have looked for authentication, because the &#8220;original&#8221; manuscripts are lost, and the &#8220;messages&#8221; came through one man whose story is questionable when put to a variety of reasonable tests.</p>
<p>The Bible is verifiable in every detail, and has been supported by the fossil record of the order of creation, and thousands of archeological findings.</p>
<p>***</p>
<p>As far as the lust part, the Bible is very clear about the limits and guidelines for human love. To the extent that the Song of Songs is a picture of human marriage, it is a vivid description of the kind of love that rightfully and purely exists between a man and his wife&#8230;. and in the song their love is not consummated yet because the marriage has not occurred.</p>
<p>But the Song of Songs is much deeper than that. It is also a spiritual account of the love that exists between the King of Kings and his chosen wife, a &#8220;black but comely&#8221; woman who he sought and claimed as his bride, in spite of her lack of royal bloodlines. It is a picture of Christ and the Church, and it describes the stages of her transformation by God&#8217;s grace.</p>
<p>It also discusses her <a title="7-11" href="http://bible.cc/songs/8-8.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;little sister who has no breasts&#8221;</a> &#8211; a picture of what <a title="Psalm 45, especially v 14." href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Psa/Psa045.html" target="_blank">Psalms 45:14</a> refers to as &#8220;the virgins her companions who follow her&#8221; &#8212; the less developed, less fruitful category of Christians who grow up with those Christians who are most faithful and desirable to the Heavenly bridegroom. (no denominational connections here &#8212; it&#8217;s an individual character-evaluation only God can make). Compare this to Jesus&#8217; story of two groups of virgins &#8212; pure and loyal followers &#8212; who are distinguished by fruitage in their lives &#8212; some wise, some foolish; some with oil of light in their cups, some caught in the nighttime without it. <a title="1-13" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew%2025:1-13;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">Matt. 25:1-13</a> Or compare it to the salvation promised to both those who build their lives with &#8220;gold, silver and precious stones&#8221; and those whose life is merely &#8220;wood, hay and stubble&#8221; &#8212; <a title="1 Cor. 3, especially verses 11-15" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%203;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">1 Cor. 3.</a> Both groups are saved by God&#8217;s grace, but one group gains a reward, and the other experiences trouble which humbles and purifies them in the end.</p>
<p>In the Song a question is raised about the Shunamite&#8217;s little sister, and the answer is given: (paraphrasing) &#8220;She will be examined to see if she is a door or a wall&#8221; &#8212; a sexually active (spiritually speaking) person or a virgin (spiritually speaking) &#8212; that is, faithful in mind and heart or having sold out to the world system and its various idolatries, as many scriptures in both the old and new testaments describe. If she is a door (no longer a virgin), she is boxed in with cedar planks &#8212; a coffin &#8212; emblematic of eternal death. If she is a wall, and has not lost her spiritual virginity, she is used to build a palace of silver . Silver is the metal used to describe the class of people mentioned in Revelation 7 and other places as a secondary group of saved Christians. Primary group, in the throne and joint heirs with Christ; secondary group, serving in front of the throne. Gold is used to describe the purest, most faithful group of saved Christians. <a title="Psalm 45" href="http://bible.cc/psalms/45-13.htm" target="_blank">(see Psalm 45:13ff)</a><br />
See Song of <a title="9" href="http://bible.cc/songs/8-9.htm" target="_blank">Solomon 8:9</a></p>
<p>I might suggest asking the person who gives credit to different &#8220;sacred texts&#8221; where his God promises life for all men (Isaiah 25:8); or restoration for even the enemies of his people <a title="23-25" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Is%2019:23-25;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">(Isaiah 19:23-25)</a></p>
<p>God has promised through all his holy prophets to restore everything, including the earth, life, and fellowship with God for all people: <a title="19-21 -- Times of Restitution of all things!" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+3%3A19-21" target="_blank">Acts 3:19-21</a></p>
<p>This of course harmonizes with the character of God as taught to us by Jesus: he loves his enemies, and his anger toward them is but for a moment, but his mercy endures forever. <a title="God's mercy is forever; his anger is momentary in cosmic terms. The 6000 years of human trouble will seem like &quot;yesterday&quot; when it is past." href="http://bible.cc/psalms/100-5.htm" target="_blank">Psalm 100:5</a></p>
<p>The question is, does the anger of other traditions&#8217; God only last for a moment? Does his mercy toward all last forever?</p>
<p>Once again, the way I see it, God is happy because he has a plan in place that will restore everyone, including his enemies, and give them a full opportunity to learn from their mistakes.</p>
<p>Grace be to you&#8230;</p>
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My apologies for taking so long to answer you.
Jesus told us that God&#8217;s motivation is love, and that his goal is to bring life to whoever believes in Jesus. John 3:16
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>Hi, Brian and Kimberly,<br />
My apologies for taking so long to answer you.</p>
<p>Jesus told us that God&#8217;s motivation is love, and that his goal is to bring life to whoever believes in Jesus. <a title="16 NASB" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:16;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">John 3:16</a></p>
<p>Of course, the mainstream traditional teaching is that most people self-select themselves out of that opportunity, by choosing to reject Jesus. My Calvinist brothers acknowledge that humans are not really free and capable of responding, but their perspective isn&#8217;t very comforting, either: they teach that God has chosen who will escape the wrath of God. Apparently in this view God has chosen to send the majority of the human race to eternal misery. Some Calvinists will tell you that God knew these folks would not do the right thing anyway &#8230; others will say that the sovereign God can&#8217;t fail, is always righteous, so of course this idea that millions, billions are fore-ordained to hell cannot be an unloving or bad idea. After all, &#8220;who are we to reply against God?&#8221;, they will say; &#8220;who are we to complain as lumps of clay against the potter&#8217;s will?&#8221; (language Paul used in <a title="Romans 9 - a discussion of two dispensations of grace, and temporary destruction; not eternal torment." href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=52&amp;chapter=9&amp;version=31" target="_blank">Romans 9</a>, but not to justify eternal damnation, it seems to me).</p>
<p>However Jesus was well aware that God&#8217;s sending of a righteous man into the sinful world would not just magically make everyone all sweetness and light&#8230; those who benefitted from the status quo would fight him&#8230; and so he states in <a title="17 Wycliffe New Testament" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%203:17;&amp;version=53;" target="_blank">John 3:17 </a>that again, the goal is not to judge the sin-gripped world through Jesus, but to save that very world through Jesus&#8217; efforts on their behalf.</p>
<p>Jesus stated that he came to <a title="51, Biblos.com" href="http://bible.cc/john/6-51.htm">give his flesh</a> for the life of the world. Again, life for the entire world is what is clearly and unambiguously stated. It doesn&#8217;t say, &#8220;I came to give my flesh for every individual who receives me before he dies.&#8221; There&#8217;s a world dying, and Jesus sets his sights pretty darn high &#8212; &#8220;I&#8217;m going to save the world.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pause for a moment to consider the ways in which that phrase, &#8220;save the world&#8221;, is used so often today.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the first 5 things that come up in a Google search:</p>
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<li>The <a title="Save the World Project home page" href="http://www.savetheworld.com/" target="_blank">Save the World Project</a> says, &#8220;Today we all face a great challenge&#8230;&#8221; Indeed. This one focuses on fossil fuels, something Jesus never even mentioned.</li>
<li>The <a title="how to save the world blog" href="http://blogs.salon.com/0002007/" target="_blank">How to Save the World</a> blog focuses on unequal distribution of wealth, species extinction trends, and other ominous facts that make thinking people worry.</li>
<li>Justin Timberlake and Madonna apparently have an orgasmic focus in their <a title="Justin Timberlake and Madonna - 4 minutes to save the world" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5-BJY00nHI" target="_self">4 minutes to save the world.</a> <span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://happygod.wordpress.com/2008/07/04/q-why-was-jesus-sent-to-earth/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/k5-BJY00nHI/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></li>
<li><a title="Foreign Policy magazine home page" href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/index.php" target="_blank">Foreign Policy</a> magazine presents <a title="21 Solutions to Save the World" href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3783" target="_blank">21 solutions</a> from various brilliant people on how to save the world. First is from Garry Kasparov the chess master: <a title="Garry Kasparov's solution to save the world" href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3784" target="_blank">a Global Magna Carta.</a></li>
<li>And at the <a title="Save Your World store site" href="http://store.saveyourworld.com/Conservation-Mission-s/19.htm" target="_blank">Save Your World store</a>, you can learn about body care, hair care, and other accessory items at the Rainforest-Mall:<br />
<blockquote><p>&#8220;By purchasing our products, you are contributing to the Save Your World® project, a partnership with Conservation International and the Government of Guyana Forestry Commission. The project secures rainforest habitat that would have been leased by mining or logging companies. Every purchase you make helps protect one whole acre of dwindling habitat&#8230;&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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<p>That&#8217;s just the top 5 ways various well-intentioned folks think we can save our world. Do you suppose that Jesus was equally misguided when he tossed out the notion that somehow if he died on a cross it would do something to <strong>save the world?</strong></p>
<p>Or do  you think that the historic results of Christianity so far were what he had in mind when he said &#8220;my flesh I give for the life of the world&#8221;? According to <a title="Comparison of world religions" href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm" target="_blank">ReligiousTolerance.org</a>, the percentages of the world that are Christian have barely budged in a hundred years &#8212; still roughly 33% of the world population. And that&#8217;s counting &#8220;Christians&#8221; in the broadest, most shallow ways possible.</p>
<p>ReligiousTolerance also <a title="quote of Samuel Huntington, author of " href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/worldrel.htm">quotes Samuel Huntington:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>The percentage of Christians in the world peaked at about 30 % in the 1980s, leveled off, is now declining, and will probably approximate to about 25% of the world&#8217;s population by 2025. As a result of their extremely high rates of population growth, the proportion of Muslims in the world will continue to increase dramatically, amounting to 20 percent of the world&#8217;s population about the turn of the century, surpassing the number of Christians some years later, and probably accounting for about 30 percent of the world&#8217;s population by 2025.</p></blockquote>
<p>Islam is growing faster (2.9% annually, faster than world population growth), while Christianity is slowly slipping as a percentage of world population.</p>
<p>If we try to evaluate Christianity according to the number of adults who have chosen to claim themselves practicing followers of Jesus, a survey published in Crosswalk.com in 2001 stated that 11% of the world &#8220;know Jesus&#8221;. Quoting ReligiousTolerance.org:</p>
<blockquote><p>Missiologist Ralph Winter estimated in early 2001 that there are 680 million &#8220;born again&#8221; Christians in the world, and that they are growing at about 7% a year. This represents about 11% of the world&#8217;s population and 33% of the total number of Christians.</p></blockquote>
<p>So getting back to my main point: <strong>Christianity as we know it should not be viewed as a fulfillment of Jesus&#8217; claims that he came to save the world.</strong></p>
<p><a title="32 parallel translations" href="http://bible.cc/john/12-32.htm" target="_blank">Jesus said,</a> &#8220;If I be lifted up [on the cross], I will draw all men unto me.&#8221; Here he doesn&#8217;t talk in general terms about the world, he makes a pretty bold claim about individuals. That&#8217;s especially significant, since elsewhere he said, <a title="6" href="http://bible.cc/john/6-44.htmhttp://bible.cc/john/14-6.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;no one comes to the Father except through me&#8221;</a> and <a title="44" href="http://bible.cc/john/6-44.htm">&#8220;no man CAN come to me unless the Father who has sent me draws him&#8230;&#8221;</a></p>
<p>And Jesus not only claims that he is the only way to life, he claims that the opportunity comes from God, and ALL men will indeed be drawn to him.</p>
<p>It should be obvious, it seems to me, that either we should dismiss Jesus entirely as a raging, self-deceived lunatic, or else we should try to find a rational explanation for these amazingly grandiose statements.</p>
<p>Paul, writing about it later, said that Jesus brought life and immortality (two distinct things) to light through the gospel. (That&#8217;s from <a title="10" href="http://bible.cc/2_timothy/1-10.htm" target="_blank">2 Timothy 1:10</a>)</p>
<p>I would submit that <a title="8 - life for all people, no tears on any faces" href="http://bible.cc/isaiah/25-8.htm" target="_blank">life for the human race</a> (on earth beginning in Messiah&#8217;s worldwide reign) was brought to light through the gospel. The <a title="1-4" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2021:1-4;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">whole world will be saved</a> when the redemptive plan of Jesus is fully accomplished. The earth will be restored, the garden paradise will expand to fill the world, the nations will be healed &#8212; whoever wants to &#8212; and only after they have made their choice will Satan be allowed to attempt to instigate one last rebellion. (see Revelation 20) Though Christians lost sight of this world-wide redemption, orthodox Jews have held fast to it in one form or another and it&#8217;s still a prominent part of their <a title="Jewish eschatology, Wikipedia" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_eschatology" target="_blank">hope for the future.</a></p>
<p>The Gospel also brought to light the promise of immortality or death-proof-ness, the power to live without external sustenance, forever. This distinct quality was not even enjoyed by angels, but <a title="16 Blue Letter Bible" href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Ti/1Ti006.html#16" target="_blank">only God and the resurrected Jesus.</a> And yet it in the Christian <a title="14 - the upward call of God through Christ" href="http://bible.cc/philippians/3-14.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;high calling&#8221;</a>, this opportunity is opened up for the victorious followers of Jesus, who will live <a title="Promises for Christians - exceedlngly great and precious" href="http://bible.cc/1_peter/1-4.htm" target="_blank">in heaven as spiritual beings</a>. This is the <a title="Special salvation for those who believe -- the followers of Jesus. " href="http://bible.cc/1_timothy/4-10.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;special&#8221;</a> salvation for the &#8220;church of Christ.&#8221; In the <a title="4-6" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2020:4-6" target="_blank">&#8220;first resurrection&#8221;</a> they will become part of the &#8220;bride, the lamb&#8217;s wife&#8221;. They will be <a title="32" href="http://bible.cc/luke/12-32.htm" target="_blank">given the kingdom.</a> They will <a title="2" href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-2.htm" target="_blank">judge men</a> and <a title="3" href="http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/6-3.htm" target="_blank">angels</a>. They will <a title="27 - heirs with Christ, ruling with him" href="http://bible.cc/revelation/2-27.htm">shepherd the nations</a> with a staff of iron <a title="17 - Followers of Jesus to share glory with Jesus" href="http://bible.cc/romans/8-17.htm" target="_blank">with Jesus</a> in his throne.</p>
<p>In summary, Jesus came to save the world. And he&#8217;ll really do it. First he saves a small group who will be so close as to be called his &#8220;bride&#8221; &#8230; but then they together turn their attention to the world and continue the hard work of saving it, through a process of resurrection by judgment, and teaching the world what it means to live in harmony and follow the principles of God&#8217;s universe. When they&#8217;re done, every man, woman and child who has ever lived will have fully learned what God expects of them, and how wonderful things can be if everyone follows those loving and just principles. Then a final test, and those who choose death will receive it. The vast majority, no doubt, will choose and forever enjoy life and love on a restored earth. &#8220;And they all lived happily ever after&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m happy to rediscover Judith Hayes, the Happy Heretic. I&#8217;m a happy heretic myself, being convinced that most of Christianity is dead wrong about the end game God has planned. 
In her most recent post, Judith points her incisive wit at the 7 visions of Hell described in an article she reviews. All the views, though [...]<img alt="" border="0" src="http://stats.wordpress.com/b.gif?host=happygod.wordpress.com&blog=2054921&post=165&subd=happygod&ref=&feed=1" />]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p>I&#8217;m happy to rediscover Judith Hayes, the <a title="Judith Hayes, Happy Heretic" href="http://www.thehappyheretic.com/" target="_blank">Happy Heretic.</a> I&#8217;m a happy heretic myself, being convinced that most of Christianity is dead wrong about the end game God has planned. </p>
<p>In her most recent post, Judith points her incisive wit at the 7 visions of Hell described in an article she reviews. All the views, though nominally Christian, are not only illogical and wrongheaded, but unbiblical.</p>
<p>In the Bible view, Hell is always 52 degrees &#8230; a little chilly but you won&#8217;t care because when you go there, you can&#8217;t feel anything anyway. And <a title="everyone goes to Sheol, the grave or oblivion, and they are unconscious there. Dead." href="http://bible.cc/ecclesiastes/9-10.htm" target="_blank">everyone goes there</a> &#8212; <a title="Jesus' soul went to Hades but was not abandoned there." href="http://bible.cc/acts/2-27.htm" target="_blank">including Jesus</a>. And no, it&#8217;s not the body that goes there, it&#8217;s the soul &#8212; the existence or conscious life, which is <a title="souls die. " href="http://bible.cc/ezekiel/18-4.htm" target="_blank">clearly said to die</a>, not live immortally. (Jesus&#8217; soul went to hell &#8212; hades, oblivion &#8212; while his body lay in a tomb). </p>
<p>And <a title="Death and Hell destroyed" href="http://scripturetext.com/revelation/20-14.htm" target="_blank">in the Bible view</a>, Hell (oblivion &#8212; the condition of death inhabited by the children of Adam) is cast into the &#8220;Lake of Fire&#8221; &#8212; eternal oblivion, absolute destruction. How does one absolutely destroy the condition of death for all the souls who have died since Adam? Well, the Bible makes that clear, too: you resurrect them out of death &#8212; <a title="28-29" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%205:28-29;&amp;version=15;" target="_blank">all of them</a>.</p>
<p>In the Bible view, Death also gets cast into the Lake of Fire. Are we tormenting Death here? No, we&#8217;re also obliterating the process of Death, and the sentence of Death that was given to all human beings way back in Genesis. That whole dying process, that whole engine of despair and pain, of what God told Adam would be <a title="17 - a process of dying" href="http://bible.cc/genesis/2-17.htm" target="_blank">&#8220;dying though shalt die&#8221;</a> will go out of existence&#8230; along with all the things that were invented to make it either easier (guns, ammo, bombs) or less painful (doctors, hospitals, clergymen). All gone. Foof.</p>
<p>Oh, and Judith, don&#8217;t worry.  I&#8217;m not saying you have to do anything about meeting God right now. When he&#8217;s ready, he promises to introduce himself to everyone, and at that point participating in his pleasant society will be strictly voluntary and with no strings attached (other than the kind of rational interactions and mutuality that I can tell you would find appealing, according to <a title="future invitation to everyone" href="http://bible.cc/revelation/22-17.htm" target="_blank">Revelation 22:17</a>.)</p>
<p>Judith is asking the same questions that I think God is asking the Christian church today. He is poking them in the chest, demanding that they answer the questions that Judith <a title="Judith Hayes article, Hell on Earth" href="http://www.thehappyheretic.com/current.htm" target="_blank">so eloquently articulates:</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Will we ever stop this nonsense? Will the day come when we stop screaming threats at each other about some outlandish place of torture in some invisible, unknowable afterworld? When will we cease to believe in this maliciously cruel myth called Hell? When are we going to learn to appreciate our wonderful world and our all-too-brief visit here? When will love and tolerance finally dominate hate? When will….oh, the hell with it.</p></blockquote>
<p>The answer of &#8220;will the day come&#8230;?&#8221; is found in Isaiah <a title="God will sweep away the " href="http://net.bible.org/passage.php?passage=Isa+28:15-18#n14" target="_blank">28:15-18</a></p>
<p>&#8220;When&#8230;?&#8221; is a little bit trickier. I&#8217;ll give my 2 cents another day, but Barna <a title="Review of George Barna's book, Revolution, by ChristianBlog.com" href="http://www.christianblog.com/blog/john49/book-review-of-revolution-by-george-barna/" target="_blank">clearly documents</a> the fact that Isaiah 25:18 and <a title="Revelation 18 - prophecy of exodus of God's people from apostate Christianity" href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%2018:1-5;&amp;version=49;" target="_blank">Revelation 18</a> (comeuppance for Xtianism) are well under way.</p>
<p>By the way, you might also like to meet Josh Brown, who <a title="The Exodus Papers .. Josh Brown" href="http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2006/09/09/the-exodus-papers/" target="_blank">after his own exodus</a> calls the corruption of Christianity <a title="Josh Brown calls a spade a spade" href="http://www.iamjoshbrown.com/blog/2007/12/03/the-consumptive-church-the-religious-industrial-complex/" target="_blank">&#8220;the religious industrial complex.&#8221;</a></p>
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